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| James B. W. Bevis |
Posted on September 28, 2004 01:01 pm
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A hobo, clown, bagpipe player, ballerina and Army major are trapped in a huge cylinder.
Originally aired December 22, 1961. Full video of the episode on CBS.com List of musical cues This is the preferred thread for any and all of your "Five Characters in Search of an Exit" posts--facts, opinions, questions, speculations, and whatever else you can think of.* You can also give your opinion of the episode on a 1 to 10 scale, in the poll shown above. Let the discussion begin! *More specific instructions and suggestions about posting questions/comments related to this episode are located here. -------------------- If you post here, please read the new message board rules (effective July 4, 2009). Thanks.
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| Twilight_Trekker |
Posted on September 29, 2004 04:45 am
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I rate this one a 10, Always have & always will. My favorite episode of all time.
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| Jayo |
Posted on September 29, 2004 10:27 pm
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My mom (an original Zoner) absolutely loves this episode, but It does nothing for me. I think it's okay. Not the best, but not the worst, either.
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| Twilight_Trekker |
Posted on September 30, 2004 09:38 pm
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| Legion |
Posted on October 02, 2004 08:40 pm
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Well the begining and set-up of the story is excellent, but like many TZ's the explosive potential gives way to an absurd conclusion.
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| James B. W. Bevis |
Posted on October 02, 2004 10:24 pm
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Well, you're entitled to your opinion, just like anyone else, Legion. If you think it's an absurd conclusion, then for you it's an absurd conclusion. I for one don't see the conclusion as absurd, but I do agree with you about the great beginning and set-up, though. 10 for me. -------------------- If you post here, please read the new message board rules (effective July 4, 2009). Thanks.
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| bobbyryates |
Posted on October 14, 2004 10:03 pm
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"10"?????
good, but not that good to me. the ending was really good. the choice of actors went well together. i have taken this as some psychologists story about the different personality traits we have all grouped up confronting each other. 5 dominant sides to our psyche all in control at once. yet confused. -------------------- |
| lazyboyx51 |
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I dropped a 10 for this episode as well. I recall the first time seeing it and being amazed I had never seen it before. I always love Rod Serling's intros and outros, and this is one of his best. Keeps the viewer watching and wanting to know the outcome. I think the conclusion is original, something I had never guessed. This episode is also an adaptation from a short story, so although it wasn't written by Serling, he found it to be very intruiging, enough to adapt it into an episode of TZ. I cannot argue with genius (Rod Serling)!
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| LeenZone |
Posted on October 22, 2004 12:40 pm
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"5" Over rated. Don't get the fuss. Never have, never will. At least make the dolls to scale with the peeps.
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| LeenZone |
Posted on October 22, 2004 01:41 pm
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Hey Lazyboy. Can I assume that's what you are or at least what you sit in to watch Zone?
Either way Leen -------------------- Head 'em up, move 'em out! ![]() |
| lazyboyx51 |
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Leen,
Answer to your question: NEITHER Thanks for the welcome -------------------- ![]() Courtesy of Dr. Moreau |
| NYR94 |
Posted on October 22, 2004 06:13 pm
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A middle of the road episode for me. I can take it or leave it.
-------------------- Anyway the SEC (Second Echelon Conference) will really be exposed if they play OSU. Too bad the Gators won't get a crack at either Michigan or USC, muchaless Ohio State. A match against Michigan would have blow-out written all over it, and is that really how you want to end your season? Much better off with a cozy matchup against the ACC or Big East champ.--MJHBUCKEYE
Actually, it's a moot point now anyway because Florida is going to get the nod. We'll see you in Glendale. My boys will be the ones with the pride stickers on their helmets blowing up the scoreboard on your boys. OSU is going to destroy your boys, punk!--CYRIL THE THRILL FLORIDA GATORS 41 OHIO ST. SUCKEYES 14 OHIO STATE= 0 AND 8 VS. SEC IN BOWL GAMES |
| Crown 85 |
Posted on October 23, 2004 11:15 pm
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I find this a very intriguing episode that keeps your attention as you try to figure the situation out along with the other characters. Second 10 for me. Might have had a shot at first 10 if it wasn't for that annoying clown! (I've never liked clowns). He's the type who makes you want to give him a quick slap him in the face just to shut him up. Always felt the Major exercised admirable restraint in that regard!
http://www.twilightzone.org/images/autogrph/windom.jpg -------------------- Room For One More
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| Mr.ZONE |
Posted on October 24, 2004 03:39 pm
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10 zones. Peace
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| Mr.ZONE |
Posted on October 28, 2004 09:10 pm
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In my top 5 episodes.
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| TZRider |
Posted on November 03, 2004 09:01 pm
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I like it, fun episode. Good dialogue that has some hidden depths. I like the sparse set, it makes the dialogue like sparkling lights in a dark room.
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| Rip |
Posted on November 10, 2004 11:34 am
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I like the episode but I think it's somewhat overrated. I still give it a 9 for the production but this one does not hold up to repeated viewings for me.
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| patton29 |
Posted on December 01, 2004 12:27 pm
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I give it a 9. One of my favorites, probably a top 20 ep. for me.
I liked the starkness of the setting, the mystery as to who they all are, how they got there, how will they get out and so on. Loved the twist ending too. Just a great, great zone for me -------------------- Why do you have to drink so much Al?
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| LeenZone |
Posted on December 31, 2004 08:52 pm
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Okay Twilight Trekker, you listening? I'm giving this another go tonight since it is part of the uncuts.
The hobo playes Percy Crump the undertaker on "Gunsmoke" and that's a good thing. Love Rod looking over the edge of the barrel in the intro! Leen (I'll get back to you TT) -------------------- Head 'em up, move 'em out! ![]() |
| Dan Hollis |
Posted on December 31, 2004 09:00 pm
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I just realized that although this episode has a distinct Christmas flavor at the end, it also has a New Year's reference. Just think about the original words of the song to which the Clown sings, "We're here because we're here ..."
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| lazyboyx51 |
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Yes, one of my favorites...so glad it made one of the uncuts. The clown is most entertaining and William Windom performs magnificently. I love the title and Rod's intro to "the prolonged nightmare".
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| Dan Hollis |
Posted on January 01, 2005 08:24 pm
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Two hours ago I listened to the TZ Radio Drama version on Yesterday USA. Jason Alexander starred as the Major, and Kathy Garver (Cissy on Family Affair) was the Ballerina. I'd say it worked, but I still prefer the televised version.
By the way, the title is derived from Luigi Pirandello's play Six Characters in Search of an Author. -------------------- Thanks to Dr. Moreau for surprising me with this signature. It beats peach brandy!
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| ElfLad |
Posted on March 14, 2005 10:15 am
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Very great episode, IMO. The clown is extremely annoying, but it fits the story, I guess.
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| kanamit |
Posted on March 14, 2005 10:13 pm
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One of my favorites. The ending grew on me.
This was obviously the inspiration for a B&W fantasy episode of Felicity directed by Lamont Johnson (of 8 TZs) in 2000 called "Help for the Lovelorn" (only one I've seen). Murray Matheson (the clown) is in the "Kick the Can" segment of Twilight Zone The Movie as the old man who turns into the swashbuckling kid who keeps saying, "Tally Ho!" I think it's been pointed out already that Susan Harrison (the ballerina) is the mother of Darva Conger. (Who?) -------------------- |
| Dan Hollis |
Posted on March 15, 2005 06:28 pm
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Acknowledging that your "Who?" might be strictly rhetorical, I'll still answer it. She was the winner on Who Wants to Marry a Multi-Millionaire? and Rick Rockwell's choice for a bride. The marriage was annulled after less than two months, which was still an eternity compared to the first marriage for Britney Spears. TV Guide made it very clear that the Felicity episode was an intentional "Five Characters" parody, to the point of using the same director. -------------------- Thanks to Dr. Moreau for surprising me with this signature. It beats peach brandy!
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| LeenZone |
Posted on March 15, 2005 07:20 pm
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Ah Darva. That's a memory. Made big entertainment news during what must have been slow news days. Did it for fun, wanted to go on the trip, had no idea she would win...whatever!
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| Dan Hollis |
Posted on March 15, 2005 07:49 pm
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Perhaps, like her mother, on a spaceship headed for another planet. -------------------- Thanks to Dr. Moreau for surprising me with this signature. It beats peach brandy!
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| SteveJ |
Posted on March 15, 2005 08:18 pm
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Annoying? The Major, now there's annoying. Yelling at a clown? Who yells at clowns? One of my top 5 episodes. |
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| bobbyryates |
Posted on March 15, 2005 08:50 pm
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i would, i hate clowns. just never liked them. no reason.
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| James B. W. Bevis |
Posted on March 15, 2005 09:21 pm
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| ElfLad |
Posted on March 16, 2005 12:06 am
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Kids who are scared of clowns. (Of which there's a sizable amount.) The clown was just grating. You can't really blame the Major for being upset about his situation. --------------------
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| Crown 85 |
Posted on March 16, 2005 10:45 am
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This particular clown seemed to be going out of his way to be part of the problem rather than part of the solution. I can't stand people like that.
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| adamgrant |
Posted on March 16, 2005 11:18 am
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am i one of a few who do not find the clown annoying??
granted the clown might not have helped the situation but who knows how long the clown has been there. maybe he didn't want to be disappointed -again. however the clown did help with the climbs to the rim and the making of a rope for the major. also without tension between the clown and the major, the story would have fallen flat; the major's desperate attempts to get out wouldn't have worked as well-to me at least!! -ag -------------------- |
| Crown 85 |
Posted on March 16, 2005 01:36 pm
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adamgrant wrote:
Only after a great, frustrated effort by the Major, after which he reluctantly agreed to help. I agree with your last paragraph, however. Even though I did not like the clown, he did give another dimension to the story. -------------------- Room For One More
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| Dan Hollis |
Posted on March 16, 2005 01:38 pm
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You're not alone, Adam. The Clown is one of my favorite TZ characters of all time, paying homage to a stage tradition that goes back at least as far as Shakespeare. If he's annoying, I think it's because the Major is so hypersensitive.
Questions: Since all but the Major had been there for some time as the episode begins, why couldn't the Major (and we) see them? It's not as if they could have been hiding in a corner. Also, what kind of existence did they all experience before their confinement in the cylinder? -------------------- Thanks to Dr. Moreau for surprising me with this signature. It beats peach brandy!
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| Crown 85 |
Posted on March 16, 2005 02:50 pm
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I guess it depends on who you identify with. I strongly identify with the Major and would have felt the same way he did about getting out. The clown was doing everthing he could to stand in the way of this effort.
Reminds me of a movie trilogy I saw a number of years ago. Can't recall the name but it was 3 episodes together, kind of like the original "Night Gallery" movie. In one of the episodes, the main character was forced to circle the outside of a tall building along a narrow ledge. While he was trying to do this, a pigeon kept pecking at him. Finally when he reached a place of safety he kicked the #@*&! out of the pigeon. That's a bit like I felt about that clown! Did a little research on the IMDB. The name of the movie was "Cat's Eye". -------------------- Room For One More
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| James B. W. Bevis |
Posted on May 30, 2005 08:10 pm
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There's some more discussion about the Major and the Clown in the "Death Ship" thread, starting here, with a few interruptions.
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| SteveJ |
Posted on May 30, 2005 09:42 pm
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Here’s my theory, Mr. Hollis. Spoiler . . The Major is thrown into the toy collection receptacle and has his “Marsha moment.” The other four have been there for some time. If you watch the opening sequence again I think you’ll agree that the Major (as well as the viewer) is at first focused only on the space immediately around him. It’s only as he begins to move along the cylinder wall that his focus (and ours) changes—and the Clown comes into view. As to their pre-cylinder existence, well…I assume they were doing the same things we were doing before we were born. |
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| Henry Bemis |
Posted on June 11, 2005 01:21 pm
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A 10 all the way!
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| damin mance |
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