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| James B. W. Bevis |
Posted: December 28, 2006 12:53 pm
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We've been able to do polls with 20 poll options for quite a while, so I think we are due (if not overdue) for another favorite episode tabulation. Here's a link to the old tabulation that was based on people's top 10 lists, and here's one to the poll that grew out of it.
Some time after the ground hog either sees or doesn't see his shadow on February 2, 2008, I'm going to count the number of times that each episode is one of the first 20 that appears on each of these lists. (I think that's enough time to get enough lists to make the tabulation interesting.) The top twenty in that category will then go into a poll in the "Polls" section, and the poll will run indefinitely. If there are ties that are necessary to break, they'll be broken by the percentage of times each episode appears in the top 19, excepting cases where people say their lists aren't in any particular order. If there are still ties, then they'll be broken by the percentage of times each episode is in listed in the top 18, excepting cases where people say their lists aren't in any particular order. And so on, and so on, and so on. Let me know if you have any questions. It's conceivable that I might have to think about the answers, but I will answer them, at the very latest, two weeks before Groundhog Day 2008. Feel free to list more than twenty episodes or less than twenty, as the spirit moves you. But for the purposes of my tabulation, any episode listed 21st or later will not count. If you want to do your own tabulation with these same lists, but with a different way of counting points, you are perfectly welcome to do so; in fact, that would probably be pretty interesting. So far I've been the only one nuts enough to want to do a tabulation like this on the board, though. (Matt Cregg did a few large-scale tabulations for all visitors to his old Fifth Dimension site, of which this message board is a spinoff. One of those tabulations eventually got over 3000 ballots. Of course he had the aid of software, I'm pretty sure.) My Top 20: 1. Kick The Can 2. Walking Distance 3. Time Enough At Last 4. The Dummy 5. The Changing Of The Guard 6. The After Hours 7. A Stop At Willoughby 8. Nick Of Time 9. Five Characters In Search Of An Exit 10. One for The Angels Not in order yet: Long Distance Call Living Doll The Howling Man The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street Eye Of The Beholder The Night Of The Meek Miniature A Passage For Trumpet Third From The Sun What You Need I will probably make some changes before the deadline... This post has been edited by James B. W. Bevis on December 28, 2006 01:02 pm -------------------- If you post here, please read the new message board rules (effective July 4, 2009). Thanks.
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| TZ DZ Fan |
Posted: December 28, 2006 01:05 pm
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I know we spoke of this the other night in the chatroom Bevis. Hopefully my comments were enough to help persuade you to do this........although I think you had intended on doing this anyways. I look forward to this, and now I need to get my top twenty together for this compilation. I will have my list up here within the next few days. FWIW-- I doubt I will have them in a specific order, especially the last 4-5. Thanks in advance for your efforts. Thank you and good night. TZ DZ Fan |
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| James B. W. Bevis |
Posted: December 28, 2006 01:11 pm
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Yes, I had been, but your comment helped make sure I didn't put it off any more. -------------------- If you post here, please read the new message board rules (effective July 4, 2009). Thanks.
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| Cyril The Thrill |
Posted: December 28, 2006 01:18 pm
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1. The Silence
2. Eye Of The Beholder 3. A Stop At Willoughby 4. A Game Of Pool 5. Long Live Walter Jameson 6. Walking Distance 7. A Piano In The House 8. Dead Man's Shoes 9. The Four Of Us Are Dying 10. Dust 11. The Lonely 12. The Hitch-Hiker 13. Nervous Man In A Four Dollar Room 14. The Dummy 15. Perchance To Dream 16. Shadow Play 17. Time Enough At Last 18. Living Doll 19. The After Hours 20. An Occurrence At Owl Creek Bridge EDIT: After looking back at the old thread, my list hasn't changed as much as I thought it did. |
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| TZGeek |
Posted: December 28, 2006 04:23 pm
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1) "Eye of the Beholder"
2) "To Serve Man" 3) "The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street" 4) "Shadow Play" 5) "A Game of Pool" 6) "The Masks" 7) "Five Characters in Search of an Exit" 8) "Long Live Walter Jameson" 9) "A Hundred Yards over the Rim" 10) "The After Hours" 11) "On Thursday We Leave for Home" 12) "Perchance to Dream" 13) "The Invaders" 14) "It's a Good Life" 15) "The Silence" 16) "The Night of the Meek" 17) "The Changing of the Guard" 18) "Nick of Time" 19) "And When the Sky Was Opened" 20) "Deaths-Head Revisited" -------------------- Thanx, Doctor M!!
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| Cyril The Thrill |
Posted: December 28, 2006 05:19 pm
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| whitsbrain |
Posted: December 28, 2006 06:20 pm
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Top 20 TZs:
1. To Serve Man 2. The Invaders 3. The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street 4. It's A Good Life 5. Time Enough At Last 6. Living Doll 7. Eye of the Beholder 8. Mirror Image 9. The Howling Man 10. Nightmare At 20,000 Feet 11. A Hundred Yards Over The Rim 12. The Little People 13. An Occurrence At Owl Creek Bridge 14. The Fear 15. Long Distance Call 16. You Drive 17. The Masks 18. The Obsolete Man 19. The Dummy 20. A Stop at Willoughby Yes, I took the time to track all of this stuff when I watched all TZ episodes. I figured it would be fun to do and no series is more deserving. That, and the fact that I love stats. My personal episode ranking system: (1-2 Poor, 3-4 Fair, 5-6 Good, 7-8 Very Good, 9-10 Excellent) My Season ranking by episode rating average: 1. Season Two - 6.14 2. Season Three - 5.73 3. Season Five - 5.5 4. Season One - 5.17 5. Season Four - 5.17 My Season ranking by episode rating median: 1. Season Two - 6 2. Season Three - 6 3. Season Five - 6 4. Season Four - 5.5 5. Season One - 5 My Season ranking by episode rating mode: 1. Season Three - 7 2. Season Four - 6.5 3. Season Two - 5 4. Season One - 4 5. Season Five - 4 This little exercise has got me stunned. What the numbers tell me is that I enjoyed Season One the least. Someday, I am going to watch them all again in reverse order and see how I rate the world of TZ then. After that I stop spendin so much time in front of a TV. -------------------- ![]() |
| Cyril The Thrill |
Posted: December 28, 2006 07:20 pm
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That's the first time I have ever heard that. |
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| whitsbrain |
Posted: December 28, 2006 10:39 pm
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Well, maybe I was hard on some of the Season One episodes but I thought it had some real stinkers, namely "The Sixteen-Millimeter Shrine", "The Big Tall Wish", "Mr. Bevis", "The Mighty Casey", and "The Four Of Us Are Dying". In fact, five of my lowest rated 13 episodes of the entire TZ series (scoring a 1 or 2) came from Season One. I'm not happy about it, being Season One is more often than not, cited as the best season. But I'm a slave to my own numbers... -------------------- ![]() |
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| PolarBear |
Posted: December 29, 2006 02:55 am
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1. Eye of the Beholder 2. A Game of Pool 3.Number 12 Look Just Like You 4. The Monsters are Due on Maple Street 5. Showdown with Rance McGrew 6.The Encounter 7. Miniature 8. The Fever 9. The Fugitive 10. The Obsolete Man. 11. The Lonely 12. One for the Angels 13. The Invaders 14.Nervous Man in a $4 Room 15. The Howling Man 16. Five Characters in Search of an Exit 17. Mr. Denton on Doomsday 18. A Quality of Mercy 19.Kick the Can 20. The Last Night of a Jockey I was sort of randomly guessing from 15-20 |
| Jayo |
Posted: December 29, 2006 06:58 pm
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Same here! They're in no particular order after #5. 1. The Passersby 2. King Nine Will Not Return 3. Eye Of The Beholder 4. The Midnight Sun 5. The Changing Of The Guard 6. The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street 7. Will The Real Martian Please Stand Up? 8. I Shot An Arrow Into The Air 9. The Obsolete Man 10. The Rip Van Winkle Caper 11. The Odyssey Of Flight 33 12. Nothing In The Dark 13. Twenty-Two 14. Mr. Denton On Doomsday 15. Ring-A-Ding Girl 16. The Last Flight 17. The Purple Testament 18. Death's-Head Revisited 19. Back There 20. What You Need -------------------- My reality check bounced.
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| StillValleyBard |
Posted: December 29, 2006 07:11 pm
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I cannot do a Top 20 because that would take forever and theres no way I can group that 150+ and figure out whats my top 20....just to much time and effort, I could never rate them in a way I wanted to. I'd have to many favorite #2's or 3's or I don't know whats my Fifth favorite? Who cares?? All I know is what I like to watch and what I dont like, who cares what number it is.
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| Cyril The Thrill |
Posted: December 29, 2006 08:34 pm
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Way to participate! |
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| mjhbuckeye |
Posted: December 30, 2006 12:29 am
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And since this thread is for posting a top 20, why did you bother to expend the "time and effort" to say you couldn't expend the time and effort and waste the bandwidth to tell us what you could not do, rather then responding with what you could do? There is a good reason for compiling these lists. Rather then saying, like a certain friend of ours, that he likes a certain episode, say, oh, Probe 7-Over and Out over and over again, this exercise allows an empirical analysis of what episodes are popular one to another. Ranking is far superior to rating an episode because there is an objective element: one episode must follow another, rather then someone saying they have 20 or more shows that are a "10" in their book, whereas someone else might have the same shows in the same order, but give a rating of 8 through 9.9. In fact, the ideal way to do this kind of survey is to have one rank all 156 episodes from one to 156. That would expend alot of time and effort, but it would give the truest indicia of a shows relative worth in the eyes of folks in the know. Off of the soapbox and on with the list: 1) A Hundred Yards Over the Rim 2) Long Live Walter Jameson 3) A Stop At Willoughby 4) A Game of Pool 5) The Midnight Sun 6) The Odyssey of Flight 33 7) Eye of the Beholder 8) The Last Flight 9) The After Hours 10)Time Enough At Last 11)A World of Difference 12)The Hitch-Hiker 13)Walking Distance 14)Will the Real Martian Please Stand Up? 15)The Dummy 16)King Nine Will Not Return 17)The 7th is Made Up of Phantoms 18)Living Doll 19)Mr. Denton on Doomsday 20)The Jungle Just missing the cut: The Trouble With Templeton, It's a Good Life, Night of the Meek, Shadow Play, And When the Sky Was Opened, Jesse-Belle, The Masks, Deaths-Head Revisted, In Praise of Pip, Two and Death Ship. Ones a lot of folks like but I don't care for, or at least, not as much as other folks do: To Serve Man, The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street, Nightmare At 20,000 Feet, The Invaders, In His Image, On Thursday We Leave For Home, Where Is Everybody? and Five Characters in Search of An Exit One that folks love, but I can't stand: The Howling Man |
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| StillValleyBard |
Posted: December 30, 2006 01:15 am
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http://www.character-costumes.com/c%20tige...20cut%20out.jpg Why, because I was curious how somebody can do it but since you explained it to me based on this ranking system you have I guess it makes sense. I'll just stick with the 20 episodes with a 10 rating. Thats all that matters to me, I like it or I dont. Or consider it alright. Sorry to spoil your 20 Favorite Episodes thread. bye |
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| Cyril The Thrill |
Posted: December 30, 2006 11:45 am
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We did that on the old board, actually. And you're right. That was the best way to go if you ask me. |
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I say 'boo' to means/averages. Too many damn outliers. For my money, the 25th-75th percentile range paints a more vivid picture. -------------------- Thanx, Doctor M!!
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| PolarBear |
Posted: December 30, 2006 03:57 pm
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| James B. W. Bevis |
Posted: December 30, 2006 04:26 pm
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I'd have a hard time doing this. I'm sure that by the time I got my episodes in order, my opinions would have changed again, making the list obsolete. I like reading those lists from other people, though. Again, feel free to post one if the spirit moves you. How many people did this on the old board? -------------------- If you post here, please read the new message board rules (effective July 4, 2009). Thanks.
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| Major |
Posted: December 30, 2006 06:59 pm
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#1. "Five Characters In Search of an Exit"
#2. "In His Image" #3. "The Monsters are Due On Maple Street" #4. "A Game of Pool" #5. "I am the Night-Color Me Black" #6. "Will the Real Martian Please Stand Up" #7. "The Midnight Sun" #8. "The Last Flight" #9. "Shadow Play" #10. "I Shot an Arrow Into the Air" #11. "Deaths-Head Revisited" #12. "An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge" #13. "The Silence" #14. "Death Ship" #15. "A Hundred Yards Over the Rim" #16. "The Obsolete Man" #17. "Walking Distance" #18. "The Parallel" #19. "Nervous Man In a Four Dollar Room" #20. "The Purple Testament" -------------------- When the Going Gets Tough, The Tough Lock the Thread.
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| Maideneer |
Posted: December 31, 2006 01:16 pm
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I'm still devising my list. To be fair, I haven't seen every episode from Season 5, so I'm gonna finish it all so I can rate fairly. TBA...
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| TZ DZ Fan |
Posted: December 31, 2006 03:10 pm
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I wrote a preliminary top 20 list.
NO-- These are not in exact order, so don't quote me on that point. These are 20 of my favorite ones to watch. There are alot that are borderline, so this isn't necessarily exact, and I reserve the right to change my opinion/list as I feel so inclined. I like some others here, have a sort of "temporary favorites" too, as I go through spells and watch some for a while, then go back to my tried and true favorite classics. Hey SVB/SVM Nowhere did it say that your top twenty list had to be in exact numerical order of preference. Here we are........... The Silence -- heh Cyril The Masks Ring-a-ding Girl Eye of the Beholder A Hundred Yards Over the Rim The Midnight Sun A Stop at Willoughby Deaths-Head Revisited Time Enough at Last Long Live Walter Jameson I Shot an Arrow Into the Air Perchance to Dream It's a Good Life Miniature One More Pallbearer The Old Man in the Cave Will the Real Martian Please Stand Up? Probe 7 Over and Out -- damin f'n mance Nightmare as a Child The 7th is Made Up of Phantoms Ok, Note to Bevis-- I hope this isn't final, and you all will engrave this onto my casket. All jokes aside, I may tinker with this a bit as we get closer to the final date. Is that cool? Thank you and good night. TZ DZ Fan |
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| Cyril The Thrill |
Posted: December 31, 2006 03:20 pm
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| Cyril The Thrill |
Posted: December 31, 2006 03:22 pm
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| James B. W. Bevis |
Posted: December 31, 2006 05:01 pm
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Oh sure, definitely. I'm probably going to tinker with mine, too. -------------------- If you post here, please read the new message board rules (effective July 4, 2009). Thanks.
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| GlitcHead |
Posted: January 02, 2007 02:43 pm
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Five Characters and Rip Van Winkle are my favourites
1.Five Characters in Search of an Exit 2.The Rip Van Winkle Caper 3.The Obsolete Man 4.It's a Good Life 5.Time Enough at Last 6.The Howling Man 7.The Silence 8.Where is Everybody? 9.The After Hours 10.Stopover in a Quiet Town 11.The Monsters are Due on Maple Street 12.The Jeopardy Room 13.Will the Real Martian Please Stand Up? 14.A Game of Pool 15.The Midnight Sun 16.Deaths-Head Revisited 17.Miniature 18.The New Exhibit 19.Long Distance Call 20.The Invaders -------------------- ![]() |
| Cyril The Thrill |
Posted: January 02, 2007 02:48 pm
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| Major |
Posted: January 02, 2007 07:36 pm
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| Cyril The Thrill |
Posted: January 02, 2007 07:43 pm
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It's actually 21 on my list. So close... |
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| bkirby |
Posted: January 02, 2007 10:34 pm
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I put a preliminary top 20 in my introduction thread, so I'll start with it...
1. Time Enough at Last 2. The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street 3. Will the Real Martian Please Stand Up 4. To Serve Man 5. Mr. Garrity and the Graves 6. The Eye of the Beholder 7. The Masks 8. The Purple Testament 9. On Thursday We Leave for Home 10. Night of the Meek 11. What You Need 12. The After Hours 13. The Midnight Sun 14. A Game of Pool 15. A Kind of Stopwatch 16. Living Doll 17. Hocus-Pocus and Frisby 18. Printer's Devil 19. Walking Distance 20. Miniature I may update as the mood strikes me... Edited to attempt to place them in order of preference... Man, this is hard! |
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Posted: January 04, 2007 12:56 pm
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Living Doll
Nick of Time The Hitchhiker Time Enough at Last Nightmare at 20,000 Feet The Rip Van Winkle Caper The Shelter The Eye of the Beholder The Night of the Meek The Lateness of the Hour The Invaders Will the Real Martian Please Stand Up People Are Alike All Over Third From the Sun Back There The Whole Truth The Midnight Sun You Drive The Jeopardy Room Spur of the Moment |
| Henry Bemis |
Posted: January 04, 2007 01:18 pm
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| Paladin |
Posted: January 12, 2007 05:24 pm
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1. And When the Sky Was Opened
2. Where is Everybody? (I love this because it was an introduction to something that TV had never seen before.) 3. Night Call (Creepiest of the series) 4. An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge 5. The Howling Man 6. Deaths-Head Revisited 7. The Grave (loaded with old western character actors) 8. The Odyssey of Flight 33 9. The Purple Testament (love B&W Korean/WWII stuff) 10. The Lonely 11. The 7th is Made Up of Phantoms (loved this one always) 12. The Passersby (love anything about the Civil War, love the ending) 13. Third From the Sun 14. Mirror Image (Gotta love the idea of a 2nd Vera Miles somewhere.) 15. Long Live Walter Jameson 16. The Long Morrow (Have always loved this one. One of the saddest of the series) 17. A Quality of Mercy (See #9) 18. The Hitch-Hiker (Scared the crap out of me as a child) 19. The Last Flight (It's like something from One Step Beyond) 20. King Nine Will Not Return (see #19) -------------------- ![]() |
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Posted: January 16, 2007 04:25 pm
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1. A Stop at Willoughby
2. And When the Sky Was Opened 3. Third From the Sun 4. The Shelter 5. Nightmare at 20,000 Feet 6. The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street 7. The New Exhibit 8. Nothing in the Dark 9. The Purple Testament 10. To Serve Man 11. Walking Distance 12. Will the Real Martian Please Stand Up? 13. Living Doll 15. The After Hours 16. The Midnight Sun 17. The Dummy 18. The Obsolete Man 19. The Masks 20. An Occurance at Owl Creek Bridge (although not a real Twilight Zone episode, they did air it once) |
| Cyril The Thrill |
Posted: January 16, 2007 05:04 pm
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Twice actually. |
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| DrMoreau |
Posted: January 17, 2007 12:27 am
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Eye of the Beholder A Game Of Pool It's A Good Life One More Pall Bearer To Serve Man One for the Angels Time Enough At Last Monsters Are Due On Maple Street Long Live Walter Jameson A Stop At Willoughby A Passage for Trumpet A World of His Own The Howling Man The Invaders Will The Real Martian Please Stand Up The Silence Nightmare @ 20,000 Feet The Old Man in the Cave The 7th is Made Up of Phantoms The Masks |
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| Cyril The Thrill |
Posted: January 17, 2007 02:12 am
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Posted: January 17, 2007 07:11 pm
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Isn't it a bit ironic that you talk so much about "The Silence"? |
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| Cyril The Thrill |
Posted: January 17, 2007 07:53 pm
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I don't know, is it? Can you really hear me typing? |
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| mjhbuckeye |
Posted: January 18, 2007 08:40 pm
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If a psychotic types alone in an apartment, does he really make a sound? |
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