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| James B. W. Bevis |
Posted on September 27, 2004 07:32 pm
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A murder convict (Dennis Weaver) tells the people sentencing him to death that they are merely part of his recurring nightmare.
Originally aired May 5, 1961. Full video of the episode on CBS.com List of musical cues This is the preferred thread for any and all of your "Shadow Play" posts--facts, opinions, questions, speculations, and whatever else you can think of.* You can also give your opinion of the episode on a 1 to 10 scale, in the poll shown above. Let the discussion begin! *More specific instructions and suggestions about posting questions/comments related to this episode are located here. -------------------- If you post here, please read the new message board rules (effective July 4, 2009). Thanks.
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| bobbyryates |
Posted on October 02, 2004 08:14 pm
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a vert god TZ. weaver shows here that he is a great actor. the direction was great too.
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| Brad Smith |
Posted on October 12, 2004 08:34 am
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One of my favorites! I have some terrible dreams, sometimes, so the thought of being stuck in a terrible re-occuring dream is just dreadful. Awesome episode, awesome closing...
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| James B. W. Bevis |
Posted on October 19, 2004 08:18 pm
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I confess that this is one that I have a hard time suspending disbelief for. I can't believe--even for the sake of watching a fictional program--that I, a conscious being, could be a character in someone else's dream, and I can't believe that the characters in my or anyone else's dreams could be conscious beings. At least that's true when I watch this one. Now when Edward Hall tells Maya in "Perchance To Dream" that she's just a character in his dream, and she says, "I know that," I have no trouble believing her. A topic for future thought . . .
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| LeenZone |
Posted on October 22, 2004 08:57 am
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I love this ep. Beev, why not? You think characters in a dream are empty lifeless shells is that it? Smiling vacant things like Aunt Amy? I believe many times our dreams originate from something that happened to us the day before. For example maybe someone brings up Robert Redford (or add your own name here) and that night they appear in a dream. To me that is why Adam's characters are interchangeable. All these folks who are the players were very real in his life at one time or another. I cooked steaks under the broiler the other night and when I opened the oven door and pulled out the rack this ep came to mind. Sizzle sizzle. Leen -------------------- Head 'em up, move 'em out! ![]() |
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| Crown 85 |
Posted on October 22, 2004 10:28 pm
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-------------------- Room For One More
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| bobbyryates |
Posted on October 22, 2004 10:44 pm
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very funny leenzone
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| Crown 85 |
Posted on October 23, 2004 10:55 pm
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Dennis Weaver's bravura performance makes this excellent episode truly great - one of the single best individual performances of the series. His wonderful expression of emotions is riviting and accomplishes what all great performances should - namely making you forget you are only watching a show and instead, making it seem real. A definite top 10 for me.
http://www.cinefania.com/pics/personas/2/2295.jpg -------------------- Room For One More
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| NYR94 |
Posted on October 24, 2004 07:57 am
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Great episode--the tense feeling of depseration throughout the episode is what makes this one a winner. Plus, the fact that it's just a repeated dream that happenes over and over adds to the futility the main character feels as he tries to convince the others in his dream that they are just figments of his imagination.
-------------------- Anyway the SEC (Second Echelon Conference) will really be exposed if they play OSU. Too bad the Gators won't get a crack at either Michigan or USC, muchaless Ohio State. A match against Michigan would have blow-out written all over it, and is that really how you want to end your season? Much better off with a cozy matchup against the ACC or Big East champ.--MJHBUCKEYE
Actually, it's a moot point now anyway because Florida is going to get the nod. We'll see you in Glendale. My boys will be the ones with the pride stickers on their helmets blowing up the scoreboard on your boys. OSU is going to destroy your boys, punk!--CYRIL THE THRILL FLORIDA GATORS 41 OHIO ST. SUCKEYES 14 OHIO STATE= 0 AND 8 VS. SEC IN BOWL GAMES |
| Rip |
Posted on November 01, 2004 04:32 pm
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10 all the way. I can find no fault whatsoever in this episode. Never gets old and now I'm a McCloud fan not to mention old Buck McCoy! Anyone remember him?
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| LeenZone |
Posted on November 01, 2004 04:33 pm
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Let's go way back and how about Chester, Rip? -------------------- Head 'em up, move 'em out! ![]() |
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| Henry Bemis |
Posted on December 08, 2004 03:10 pm
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Awesome episode! A true classic! You can feel his fear.
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| lazyboyx51 |
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A good psychological episode...'10' for me.
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| patton29 |
Posted on December 14, 2004 02:13 pm
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I gave this a 10. This is usually in my "top-ten list" about 6 or 7 or so. Weaver's acting might have been the best of the Zone. The concept fascinated me, and I loved the other actors too, particularly the DA and the media guy...
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| LeenZone |
Posted on December 15, 2004 08:06 am
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I bet this was a great departure role for him after being "Chester" since 1955. He would continue in that Gunsmoke role until April of '64. One can still see him hosting on The Westerns Channel Leen -------------------- Head 'em up, move 'em out! ![]() |
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| Jayo |
Posted on January 31, 2005 09:58 pm
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An interesting episode, but I never got into it.
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| lazyboyx51 |
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'The Executions of Grady Finch' from the 2002 episodes has a similar ring to this original.
http://www.twilightzonetv.com/guide/images...e_execution.jpg Not bad for the newer ones, but Shadow Play was always a favorite of mine. http://leapinbass.com/zone/picture_pages/t...02/tz062-04.jpg -------------------- ![]() Courtesy of Dr. Moreau |
| adamgrant |
Posted on February 25, 2005 03:08 pm
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i guess i should add my two cents here..
i never believed that adam grant was dreaming. notice how he never says that he is innocent of the crime he is being tried for. i think that the recurring cycle of trial-conviction-electrocution is his punishment. in other words -think of rocky valentine in "a nice place to visit". rocky's punishment is the monotony/boredom of 'the other place' while adam grant's punishment is the repetition of his execution. -ag -------------------- |
| cadwallader |
Posted on February 25, 2005 03:12 pm
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****SPOILER****
Interesting. That would explain why we don't see him wake up when he's electrocuted, but instead we just go back to the beginning of the "dream". |
| LeenZone |
Posted on February 25, 2005 03:18 pm
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Adam Grant, in the flesh! So you are of the opinion that Adam did indeed commit a crime even though he comments that this is a nightmare. As you can see from the voting this is one of the most liked eps in the Zone across the board. Me included. Leen -------------------- Head 'em up, move 'em out! ![]() |
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| adamgrant |
Posted on February 25, 2005 03:39 pm
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good to be here! to answer your question-like i said before adam grant never disputes the fact that he should have been executed; he just would have preferred it done once and not over and over again. -ag -------------------- |
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| ElfLad |
Posted on February 25, 2005 07:08 pm
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Very good episode.
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| TZRider |
Posted on March 15, 2005 09:28 pm
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Very captivating episode. Excellent performance by Weaver.
Dreams are one of the most interesting parts of the human mind. Who hasn't woke up in the morning fresh from a dream, thinking that they now have a million dollars, or a new love, or have regained a youthfull age, etc., only to find after a few minutes of racking your brain that it was just a dream and that your life hasn't changed from the night before. And that sad, empty feeling that follows. -------------------- ![]() |
| Dan Hollis |
Posted on March 15, 2005 10:35 pm
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Or that feeling of relief, which for me is the more frequent. My recurring dream (not every night, but a few times a year) is being a student again, not having attended a particular class in weeks, and helplessly and hopelessly facing the final exam. This may be based on an actual college physics class that I found myself cutting more often than I should. A variation takes me back to my days of teaching math. There I find myself approaching the end of the marking period without having given my students a single test or anything else on which to base a grade, and I haven't been taking attendance, either. Believe me, I feel so much better on waking when I recall that I'm no longer in school on either side of the teacher's desk. -------------------- Thanks to Dr. Moreau for surprising me with this signature. It beats peach brandy!
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| TZRider |
Posted on March 15, 2005 11:07 pm
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I wish I could remember my dreams a little more often, but I actually rarely remember them. When I was plagued by nightmares as a little kid I started telling myself over and over before falling asleep that I wouldn't have any nightmares, and after doing that for a while I rarely remembered my dreams anymore.
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| Crown 85 |
Posted on March 16, 2005 10:40 am
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Same dream here, Dan. I also have the variation of not being able to find my locker or finding it but not being able to remember the lock combination.
Another dream I have alot since I became and older guy is needing to go to the bathroom and not being able to find one. Of if I find one, it is FILLED with people and I can't get a toilet. Or there is one but people are all crowded around it talking. -------------------- Room For One More
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| adamgrant |
Posted on March 16, 2005 11:01 am
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yes.. i've also had a similiar dream about the bathrooms.. i usually wake up needing to go to the bathroom and i assume that is why i cannot go in my dream. also while dreaming a song starts playing in my dream and i wake up only to hear my radio/alarm clock playing that same song. i guess i need to turn up the volume! -ag -------------------- |
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| Dan Hollis |
Posted on March 16, 2005 01:29 pm
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It's probably already loud enough. Isaac Asimov once incorporated into a short story an excellent theory as to why dreams work this way. (He may very well have heard this elsewhere, but his story was the first time I encountered it.) Your subconscious hears the song and places into your mind a scenario to explain it. You probably have been listening for only a second or so, but your brain translates it into a much longer stretch of time. Asimov's example is a fire alarm that turns out to be a traditional clock alarm. The supposed time frame of the dream is several minutes, but it would be impossible to coordinate the fire alarm and the clock alarm for so long a stretch. Again, the clock alarm is translated into an instantaneous subconscious sound that creates its own lengthy scenario. I used to have trouble believing that dreams are so short, but then I gave them a little extra thought. Imagine a dream in which you appear in several places, or numerous separate events occur, or anything that's more than one event in one place. The odds are that you don't experience the actual travel or the actual time passage between events. You experience only the highlights, and your subconscious tells you that time has passed. It's like a teleplay that dissolves from one scene to another at a different time and/or place. -------------------- Thanks to Dr. Moreau for surprising me with this signature. It beats peach brandy!
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| TZRider |
Posted on March 16, 2005 10:22 pm
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That makes sense, it probably is only the highlights, and the provocative moments that we experience. I went to a Dream website and this is what their FAQ had to say about people (like me) who don't usually remember their dreams: So why is it that some people don't remember their dream? This may be attributed to alcohol consumption, certain antibiotics, fever, lack of sleep, high levels of stress, and/or unconscious fears about the content of your dreams. Some researchers believe that certain people have a genetic disposition to forget their dreams as they come out of their sleep. Ah so... Here's the link to that FAQ: Dreams FAQ -------------------- ![]() |
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| Jayo |
Posted on March 21, 2005 11:06 pm
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I usually don't remember my dreams, and when I do, they're usually so jumbled and disorganized that I can't even begin to try and make sense of them.
Sometimes I wake up feeling uneasy or even scared, but I can't remember what exactly in the dream made me feel that way. I read once that the dream you're having right before you wake up or your alarm goes off is the one you're most likely to remember the most clearly. I wonder if Rod ever got ideas from his dreams? -------------------- My reality check bounced.
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| whitsbrain |
Posted on July 01, 2005 06:50 am
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A good episode with some nice acting. I actually think the 80's Twilight Zone remake with Peter Coyote is better.
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| Dan Hollis |
Posted on July 01, 2005 12:27 pm
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Ah, yes, I remember that remake. It's the one in which he has this recurring nightmare where he always electrocutes himself while trying to catch a roadrunner. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you said "Wile E. Coyote." -------------------- Thanks to Dr. Moreau for surprising me with this signature. It beats peach brandy!
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| LeenZone |
Posted on July 04, 2005 08:51 am
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I'm watching this one on the marathon. I do still love it. It still stands through the years.
Even though this is certainly far from a funny ep it has its humorous moments. When the DA, Ritchie, goes to visit Adam in his cell the way Adam mimics Ritchie's voice exactly and then he mouths the exact words the DA says and Ritchie says, "Stop that!" Long Live Shadow Play! -------------------- Head 'em up, move 'em out! ![]() |
| GlitcHead |
Posted on July 08, 2005 12:07 pm
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pretty goot episode. i give it a 7.
i really thought/hoped that Adam might be saved from the chair Rod's message at the end really creeped me out too. i don't like the idea that i could really be part of someone's dream... -------------------- ![]() |
| Henry Bemis |
Posted on July 08, 2005 12:09 pm
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Me too! -------------------- ![]() Thank you Doctor! |
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| adamgrant |
Posted on July 08, 2005 12:10 pm
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thanks guys. i appreciate that!! -------------------- |
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| GlitcHead |
Posted on July 08, 2005 12:12 pm
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| TZGeek |
Posted on August 03, 2005 05:17 pm
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Amazing performance by Dennis Weaver!!! This is one of those TZ episodes that I'll call my #1 favorite if I happen to be watching it. -------------------- Thanx, Doctor M!!
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| lazyboyx51 |
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Anyone watching the TZ rotation today? Kicking it off with this episode...I had to wake up to start it because 'Shadow Play' is worth watching.
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| TZGeek |
Posted on November 30, 2005 01:32 pm
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Damn straight! -------------------- Thanx, Doctor M!!
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